Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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My recent experience at the KH

by oneairhead in

just thought i would share my recent experience at the kingdumb hall with all of you.

while sitting there during the meeting i thought to myself "wow not many here today.

" (i haven't been to a meeting in about a year.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I think that was the elders' idea of lovebombing you. Saying in range of your ears that extras were in attendance and that it was nice to see, hmm, sounds kinda setup.

Alert !

Danger !

Beware of potential shepherding call !!

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WT Comments (Dec 17-23 DEEP THINGS) FEATURING JK666

by V in

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I think my "deep things" research project will be to count how many times they quote Matt. 24:45. I would guess that they quote one single verse a freakzillion times as the scriptural reason for their papal authority. [Sorry, didn't mean to offend the Pope there.]

Or another research project, why it's okay for WTBTS to spend $12.5 million with a gag order to the victims of pedophiles in the congregations. Hey, the FDS is giving food at the proper time, the proper time for an explanation to this is long overdue.

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CHRISTMAS: December 25th DOES have a Biblical foundation! CHECK IT OUT!

by Lady Liberty in

my mother and i were talking about christmas being in december, and how the christians felt it was truely a victory to have christ jesus birth still celebrated, unlike the pagan sun god that was celebrated by the pagans at the same time.

we got to talking and realized that if you count backwards from when scholars really feel jesus was most likely really born (in september), and count back 280 days of pregnancy, it would actually be late december!!!

could it be that the birthday was from the date of conception, not delivery???

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I'm still a 'junior' here. Have there already been massive threads about why nearly every 'celebration' was removed from Watchtower regardless of any 'pagan' issues? My search didn't hit anything about the rather cult mentality reasons.

Sorry, I have a hand injury, so I'm typing way slow. Plus, I've been very busy these days leading a double life and all...

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The appeal process is a joke!!!

by jakesnake82 in

it was pretty messed up.

i appealed and two of the three elders on my appeal commity were from our sister congregation.

when i turned in my appeal letter, the elder i turned it in to tried to talk me out of appealing.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Sorry for your terrible situation Jake. Welcome to JWD.

I'm leading a double life, still an elder. Yes, there are so many strange directives from the top, that the BOE has lots of options for dfing whoever they want out. Many COs seem to brutally encourage this type of thing.

Yet, while they're giving you the boot for petting, they may be harboring a criminal pedophile in their congregation. I believe Ohio is a non-reporting state, a pedophile's paradise.

Will the disfellowshipping affect your housing, employment, or any financial situation for you?

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January '08 "Keep on the Watch" brochure campaign cancelled

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

i heard that a notice was sent to all boe this month removing "keep on the watch" as the featured january campaign.. can i get confirmation from anyone?.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

V: Thanks for posting the better copy.

KW13: "ONE: Are JW's themselves aware that there was a campaign "

Yes, it was listed in the last four KMs or so. In fact it is still listed in the January KM as being the offer. The notice of the 'adjustment' is dated "November 14" which must have been after the January KM went to press. Oddly, this rather significant change didn't come in letter format as something to officially read "To all Congregations in the United States". Instead, it comes on a small slip "To all Bodies of Elders in the United States." So, it doesn't instruct the local BOE to actually read the slip to the congregation, but instead to 'inform the congregation'. This is very unusual for being so brief, unexplanitory, and vague. The majority of the times that a little slip like this is sent to the Congregation, it's just to inform the BOE to change scriptures or wording in a Public Talk outline or something of even less consequence.
From my asking around, it seems to me that most JWs aren't aware that the campaign has been cancelled. In contacting bros in other congregations, several hadn't heard of the cancellation. Probably since it was sent on just a slip, the PO or Secretary didn't realize it was something of any importance right now and so the slip got ignored.

TWO: While the campaign itself is cancelled, do witnesses still have the brochure?

Yes, although some congregations might not have any in their stockroom, our congregation has over 300 on hand, ready to place. So, now what are we supposed to do with all those ~~pieces of crap~~ brochures? Perhaps send them to every church and newspaper in the neighboring circuit along with a copy of the NBC story about the pedophiles?

I still have more info to share, but I have a hand injury, so I'm typing way slow. Plus, I've been very busy these days leading a double life and all...

Billy

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Part 2:The Elders Return, Made Decision To Disfellowship Us On Grounds Of..

by Lady Liberty in

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dear friends.... "happy tuesday!

" well the saga continues!

i thought we had seen the last of the elders last friday night as most have you are familiar with the story.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

LL, Outstanding indeed. Many great points already posted. Here's my contribution on JW procedures and loopholes. If I actually cared to do the utmost damage, and had the nerve to lie and play up the drama in return, here's how I'd proceed...

First off, you have at least seven days from the time you were notified, yesterday, to appeal. Also, the announcement of your disfellowshipping will not be for seven days or more until the next Service Meeting. Consequently, if their Service Meeting is on Tuesday, Christmas Eve, you have 6 more speaking days. Or if their Service Meeting is on Thursday, after Christmas, you have 8 days. You follow? Don't appeal. Don't DA. Let the announcing proceed on schedule. In the meantime, you have the opportunity to talk to as many as possible. Avoid the elders, and stay under the radar as you talk to as many sisters as you can, letting them know that the CO and the brothers are on top of the pedophile scandal, the Keep on the Watch! cancellation, and will be reading a special announcement during Local Announcements at the next Service Meeting clearing up the whole thing and that the Society is suing NBC and Silentlambs.org for slander, the Society hasn't spent $12.5 million to silence the victims, and that the cancellation of the Keep on the Watch! campaign is a fraud (show the gift I sent you, as well as assorted printouts from the NBC story, Silentlambs, etc.) and that the campaign exposing false religion is ON, as announced in the January KM. Share every last scandalous detail. Go to the Service Meeting next week for the announcement, when your audience is expecting this important information from the bOrg, sit in the back row, wave at the elder that goes up to announce your DF, afterward immediately burst into tears, knock over chairs as you run out crying, "What? Why Jehovah? Why have they done this TO THE CHILDREN ?!?!?"

Ah, yes, it would be a bother to pull off, but picturing it in your head is so sweet, ain't it?

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Bad jw e-mail of the week Warning: Hurl Alert

by RisingEagle in

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(this is an e-mail making the rounds of jdubs email lists.

my apologies for not having eye and mind bleach available for the after effects) .

vs. holy bible.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Amazing !! That message just cured my constipation !! Now I have to go change my drawers...

Perhaps on the next 'bOrg bible' revision, instead of using the biblical phrase "New World", they might use this verse:

(John 11:35) Jesus gave way to tears.

Ah, yes, I can hear the next cornvention: [insert echos] "Brothers, the Faithful and Discreet Slave is pleased to announce to all you conventioners the release of the new "Jesus Gave Way to Tears Translation" [cue applause].

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January '08 "Keep on the Watch" brochure campaign cancelled

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

i heard that a notice was sent to all boe this month removing "keep on the watch" as the featured january campaign.. can i get confirmation from anyone?.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Here's the notice.

Oddly, the Announcements in the January KM still says, "Literature offer for January:Keep on the Watch! Congregations that do not have a supply of such brochures may offer any 192-page book printed on paper that discolors or any book published prior to 1991 with the exception of..."

The local congregation still has several hundred copies in stock. I heard another congregation that tried to order more copies a few months ago were only sent 10 copies. That particular ~~piece of crap~~ brochure was released in 2004 and is already out of print?

Let's try this headline:

NEW LIGHT !!

PEDOPHILE PRIESTS ARE NOT SO BAD AFTER ALL !! COMPLETELY REASONABLE WHEN CHURCHES LIQUIDATE PROPERTY !!

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Well, The Elders & Circuit Overseer Came By Tonight To See If We Are Celeb.

by Lady Liberty in

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hello dear friends.... well..the saga continues!!

as many of you know last new years the jws attacked our "frosty" and egged our home.

" the co said, "so you are both not willing to meet with the elders..?".

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

LL,

Here's the clearer copy you requested...

BteB

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"They (WT) took me out of context", Gail Bethea-Jackson video

by Fatfreek in

this is too important to bury within an old thread.

that thread hashed over several items of interest which you may want to read by way of a refresher: .

is gail bethea-jackson truly a doctor as the watchtower site claims?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Sorry I didn't take the time to read every post here. I just spotted a few things that caught my attention. I was in Bethel, blah, blah, blah, (credentials in previous posts). But it's been a few years, I may have forgot some things, or things have changed.

On the "Dr." addition: Office of Public Information, OPI, is not under the Writing Committee. It originally was under Writing, but as I recall it was moved to under Chairman's Committee. Consequently, it is independant of the proofreading and fact checking procedures of Writing. If Writing Department was involved in the "Dr." addition, I'm very ashamed of them. OPI are self-inflated goofballs. I wouldn't be surprised if they just threw "Dr." in thinking it wouldn't make any difference and nobody would notice.

About editing of the video: I believe that would have been done also by OPI themselves. I believe they got their own equipment years ago. Previously, they had to go through Video Services which is under Teaching Committee and close kin to Writing Committee. Can't say for sure, but I would guess that OPI is their own spin factory separate from the spin of the rest of Bethel. About video, you can make all kinds of edits to put a different slant on the original message. After all, take a copy of the New York Times, cut out phrases, paste them together, and you can rewrite any of the news. Most producers, writers, directors, and editors know better than make those kinds of changes. They may not get sued, but they'll sure never get another interviewee ever again from anybody of intelligence. Along with the frequent edits, one simple thing that is missing is a question from an interviewer. She's making statements, but we don't really know what she is responding to. Simply, the webpage title "Knowledge of Child Abuse--Progressive Understanding for Society in General" are not her words. The video is editted to support the title.

She states in her letter that she was addressing some specialized aspect of abuse victim trauma. I buy her explanation that 20 years ago, the emotional damage to a 7 year-old when molested by a 12 year-old wasn't understood, and it wasn't statutory rape. Also, it wasn't understood 20 years ago that a 12 year-old who molested a 7 year-old could grow up to be a serial pedophile. I don't know the exact contents of the original to know how it was hacked up.

It's very clear from my observation that she DOES NOT say, "18 or 20 years ago, we didn't realize that church leaders sexually molesting children was a crime that would cause long-term emotional damage to the child." Nope, I still don't see her saying that.

I look at it and I don't know why they put something like that on the website... Um, wait, I already said that most of OPI is self-inflated goofballs, didn't I. {Robert and Bryce, if you're still there, I didn't mean you two.}